Beer of the Day Podcast - All About the Stout - July 25th, 2017 - Beer of the Day

This is the Beer of the Day Podcast. From Beer of the Day World headquarters in Elk Grove, California, this is the Beer of the Day Podcast. Number seventy six is the title of all about the stout. And we have seven different styles to try tonight of all different styles and from all across the country including a coconut rice. And just your run of the mill Imperial. Joining me tonight Britton Minor, Joel Minor, from Pasadena, Jeff Miller and Andy Hamilton. Welcome back Andy how was your time with the monks did you enjoy is very quiet. No talking and. No talking there well you're going to be able to do some talking tonight on the program I guarantee you that. Before we get to the first beer or anyone have any

interesting beers they want to mention this week. I had a couple So last weekend I was up in San Francisco and you know we all live in California but I don't think we have explored that many San Francisco breweries but the one that I really enjoyed was cellar maker I think we've all heard of it there make it some hazy I.P.A.. That kind of stuff but I had two beers that were really excellent surprisingly neither one was an I.P.A. one was a pale ale called Dobis and it was a hazy Pale Ale and one was a double I.P.A. So you know it's not not an I.P.A. but it was a double I.P.A. called Double Minaj and both were really good I would highly recommend seller maker they're trying to make the hazy I.P.A. I don't care as much for the two hazy IP is that they had on top of this pale ale and the double I.P.A. were both excellent So if you're in stay in San Francisco cellar maker was an awesome brewery a good experience good beyond the hand of course. But it was a cool place to hang out so I went to. Three

breweries over the weekend but cellar maker was hands down you know the best so I got a question for you if someone says hey I got an I.P.A. or I have a hazy I.P.A. are you instantly going to choose the hazy IP it's all the person says to you if you're at somebodies random Your Assmannshausen I say hey I got some in the fridge and you want to hazy I pay a regular IP or you can always choose the hazy I think right now I would and I don't want to jump on a bandwagon of these people that love the hazy I.P.A. S. but I enjoy a hazy I.P.A. but I love the light West Coast style clear I.P.A. but right now I think I'm. Interested in trying the new stuff the intriguing. You know just new breweries are coming out with this and to compete right now I think they

have

to

make a good hazy I.P.A.. I'm in the opposite I'm over the hazy at this point I've been drinking it for a year and a half now two years probably every time I go to the bar there's a new hazy beer and I'll drink it but. I want to just a couple weeks ago I walked in the door and he. He hands me a mill Rose double dried hop west coast tile I.P.A. perfect clarity and that beer was so good that it makes me question why we're going down this hazy road. Is that you've got to try it I mean that there was awesome you know from Beechwood but you've got to try everything to know what you like and there's going to be some phenomenal clear West Coast style I.P.A. and that's going to be some phenomenal hazy

East Coast style I.P.S. there's nothing wrong with a variety that I like that I like that there's another is just like wine you know wondering the same wine every day there it's true you know it's good that there is right he and now there's two styles of I.P.A. that we have to choose from and it just more variety. Out there so that is a good point I'll drink the juice for breakfast in the West Coast style for the rest of the day sounds like a good plan All right let's get into the first beer of the day this is the Zonker Stout from Snake River Brewing Company in Jackson Hole Wyoming six percent they call this a foreign style or an import style stout. I think that means it's kind of. English style stout. Now it's been a while since we had one of these Stout shows. Sometimes you get into when you do all the same style they kind of run together and so for the show today I'm trying to mix it up so each of these doubts is on paper a little bit different than any of the other ones and I'm hoping that we have as much variety as possible within the style. So based on the label this one a gold medal at the G. A B. F. and the world beer cup. It's pretty impressive yeah I guess airily have my beer the day not exactly a light wave. We don't want to. Start off with a softball so. It's also dark Why did you choose this one as the first beer for tonight's lineup lowest alcohol six percent yes so right away I get some of that roasted mult a little toffee flavor a little more sugar than expected for a import style it's very dark beer you can hear that a lot tonight there's just a little bit of amber color peeking through on the edges. Of the head is. Tan colored. Maybe a little even like slightly reddish and then the bubbles are incredibly small it's almost like a head it's a head of a beer that is. Like a night your snide probe you're not sure where you are it's not quite that small a bubble but it's on the way there yeah reminds me a cappuccino foam it's very fine and it's pretty stickin around mine mine is thick and granted I drop my can for about ten minutes ago so I expect to be a little bit more head on this bear but mine is pretty thick and foamy as really interesting texture like those big bubbles give it like a very

smooth texture but it also has there's some bitterness that comes through in the end from the roasted malts on the aroma I thought this might be a really sweet and there is some sweet is there but the really dark roasted quality comes through in the after taste and maybe a little charcoal even it keeps it from being overly sweet and there's enough balance between the sweetness and the bitterness here to make this not overly sweet so I've tasted this aready and it reminds me a lot of like the chocolate you get that you're using That's like Vic ninety seven percent like Coke Zero Dark chocolate like it doesn't have a lot of the milk chocolate I'm getting it's not that it's dry well it is dry but it's not like it's out. It doesn't have the sweetness but it does there the interesting quality of his it has that dark dark chocolate like something that would be from Europe style you know taste to it it's good it's bitter but it's good. It's the combination of dark chocolate and like that earthy hops that it's not sweet You're right I think some of these beers tonight might be a little sweet This one is much more bitter and earthy and I like that it's a good way to start out the show yeah the first set that I took I wasn't sure that I was going to like it I

wouldn't say

that I loved the

first step because it was very earthy it seemed pretty strong and I was getting some coffee notes like better coffee notes but the more I drink it the more it kind of mellowed out and it doesn't seem so overly earthy. You know I get it's almost like it would go really well with a bowl of ice cream on the side of vanilla bean ice cream yeah you know we've tried that with a lot of stouts and the ones that are this better really come out as very bitter

when you mix them with

sweet something sweet

like ice cream yeah yeah and I tried a bunch of different ones one time that we thought would go great with ice cream and I really struck out really you know this is great because light is very and smooth and yeah I mean well I'm just not going to try then. Please don't. Incoming transmission You've Got Mail. Comments this week on our last episode entitled The gold standard we had all golden colored beers or named to be yours on the show Rob H posted on beer the day dot com Love the podcast I like the comparison of being linked to other beers I would add that comparing your glowing light to those beers I don't know how much better it would be I have had a six pack of the light in. It took a while to get rid of L.O.L. I think what helps youngling status is the history of the company and the limited availability much like Coors of the seventy's anyway great show and look forward to the next one Rob Rob from the Long View Texas thanks for the comment Rob. You were recording this on Friday July twenty first and I put you in with the beer the day today. But it was definitely interesting to compare those beers I've been to Longview Texas have you I have the airport has a very long runway. If you stand at the end of it you have a very long. Rich Nagel on Facebook posted a comment on the also the the gold standard podcast two birds one stone earth can I had yang light lager in the shower following listening to the podcast while most My definition of shower beer any beer consumed in the shower prefer canned bottles could lead to breakage equals no bueno Dallas's portrayal of young lady is spot on in the comparison to the other. Quotation mark beers beat on the

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he's from Greensboro North Carolina posted on Big O. from Red Oak Room. In wit set North Carolina unfiltered lager seven percent by volume with deep malt flavor it will set you back twenty dollars for a growler but it's worth the money only available at the brewery and cash is all they accept too so come prepared with a. A nice size cooler. We haven't had that one yet but we'll have to seek

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on Sasquatch ale from six rivers brewery in McKinley Ville that's up in Northern California I had to double check the label pretty sure I'm drinking a C.D.A. not a double I.P.A. creamy Hoppy start with a lovely chocolate finish really drink people but not what I expect from a double I.P.A. That's watch I think we get that here right I would assume I have a friend who works for six rivers that's right there. They have their macadamia nut Porter now bottle Sierra which is one of the highest googled beers in in the country so there they're doing real

well right now. J M five six two posted on the shower beer from champion brewing once a week I have a shower beer literally and it has completely changed my life. J M five sixty two we've had him at Clermont he's from L.A. and he quit his job and now works at the brewery west in San Pedro California and he posted a picture of dig my earth double I.P.A. and wrote a description of it and we featured it as the beer of the day last week nice so. J M five six to make you or your contributions we

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day and we're on Instagram at the beer they site. All right let's get into the next beer this is one I've been looking forward to it's called the patsy. It is a coconut rye Stout which I don't think we've had before but it sounds intriguing it's from barley forge Brewing Company in coastal Mesa California Yeah I was looking forward to trying this one too it's just sounds really interesting I think this is our only California beer tonight right it is indeed and lately like the last month or two I feel like we've shied away from California beers a little bit so it's it's good to come back to one from our home state the good thing is we've been getting all these beers on tour and they have featured beers from all around the country and so we've definitely been able

to widen our horizons broaden our horizons for the beers we've had in the show if you want to sign up for to be sure it's pretty cool. If you see a beer you like you say send it to me and then once a month they send it to you if you go to tell who or T.V. you know you are Dot beer the day dot com or Pav dot beer the day dot com It'll take you two to bore you sign up and then we're going to get ten dollars that we can use to buy beer on the show so we want to sort of her to bore do it through our link. The patsy this beer has a pretty amazing aroma it's I think we've all poured a right like that yeah it's going to wow I mean color wise it's it's dark brown almost a black color we're going to have that a lot tonight but the aroma on this is just pure coconut maybe a little like caramel sweetness but this smells amazing

before that first set I was surprised if you hold it up to the light it

actually lets light through all the way and it's. Seems very clear. So

I

haven't seen that in a stone in a while where it's actually letting the light through but Jeff is spot on on the aroma it Mels fantastically coke and it's felt so good it smells coconut and surprisingly I don't get any rye and the smell so we'll see how it tastes Oribe I do get those dark roast the most like the last period it's Bill's a lot like the last beer except you just add a bunch of coconut to it I don't think it like I wish we did this one first because the other one was much stronger in the like the berm all flavor through than this one and this just tastes really sweet

to me this one has a much lighter head than the last one in it's a lot more course

bubbled and it doesn't really stick around that much either I get on the taste

definitely the coconut but a little bit of Bonilla cream yeah yeah

definitely Bonilla and you those dark roasted molds but not as this is not as bold a beer as

last one it's not. The other one is definitely concentrates on the more bitter like super dark

chocolate type of flavors this one. Allows the sweeter coconut in vanilla flavors to to move to the forefront and the dark roasted malts take kind of a supporting role Yeah it's almost like a better ness is coming from the Reivers is the toasted mulch that you got in the previous beer coconut

I wouldn't describe it as one of my favorite flavors that's actually down towards the bottom but I

think for this beer it works pretty well it's definitely there at the end and it kind of serves to smooth

out what's going on. I don't I wouldn't describe it as sweet though it's definitely sweeter than last year but I don't I don't think that's we want it. I like this a lot but I maybe it's different for you guys but I get like that coconut up front and liked. Rob I write can I have a little bit I don't want to say harsh but it's it's can me CITIC almost acidic bitterness a little bit and that I get the

coconut sweetness on the front end in the Rye acidity on the back end and I like it I like the complexity of the spear I was I don't think cooking is one of those flavors I really like I mean to be honest I don't mean REALLY DON'T EITHER Yeah but it is I think it works or it doesn't taste like. Some candy bar that's melted down. I'm not a big Coke and I found it like a mounds and mounds or Almond Joy has not smell as don't but there's there's a little bit of a wry bite in the finish but I do enjoy. I like this beer I think it's. I'm not a huge coca fan but this is enjoy it while I like this beer and I really like

the label in their minds me of money Python and the Holy Grail. With the coconut to coconuts and you're banging

them together Alice what do you think. I'd like it. I don't love it so the I do enjoy the coconut sweetness it's a

kind of a novelty. But it just seems like to me that the flavors that follow it to the dark malted flavors don't are not in complete balance with the up fronts we. I think the song that we started with is a much more. Complete balance a beer this one has a little bit of. It seems to be a little bit of the fighting between the ingredients in not a balance between the Greens I agree. This tastes like a coffee drink to me yeah there's a lot of the SUPPRESS I want to. Specify a version and I think that's what you're describing is the is that any on the back end. That you're tasting I don't know like I like I think it's not super balanced but oh like it I like it for coconut because I'm not a big coconut fan and knowing that I don't like coconut

this is better than I expected. I don't get right really. I think that's the the bitterness in the effort I think the roasted

multiple than there's also the rye bread which is also a darker. Toasty flavor so I can see how those two types of flavors

can be hard to distinguish but if you don't like coconut you're probably not going to like the spear No I don't I don't like coconut but I like that anomaly I've been hungry. All right so today is Friday two days ago. A buddy of mine Teddy put me in touch with a friend of his who has started a fifty state road trip and he's visiting

breweries in every state and so I had the opportunity to talk with him and I'm going to play that interview for you now so I have on Skype Jeremy Richter his website is liftin brews dot com lift in brews dot com and he is one month into a road trip of the fifty states and he's visiting breweries in every state Hi Jeremy How's it going OK you know it's really good so first of all where you at right now you're in Illinois yes so I was doing Wisconsin and I had to live in the whole of the car issues so force. I was able to crank out my two meetings with Jim lawyers and to meet with owners today and my dad to me it's actually a friend of is from a child down in Illinois that's why. I'm at right now wow so going back to that So this is a pretty epic

undertaking that you're on here. Fifty states in twelve weeks and you're getting. Twelve weeks right and you had it up at least two breweries in to gyms in each state correct the total weeks issue was just a rough estimate I think now of be around one hundred ten days but yes the point is challenge every state so driving to the forty eight and then I'll fly to Alaska Hawaii. And end each

stay I'm talking with to Jim owners and to green owners about the on screen up process and less as learned and hopefully if I'm lucky I

get it and can be along the way Yeah definitely so. Obviously you're into craft beer and you're into weightlifting and so you just

decided OK let's craft a road trip around the two things that

you're interested in him it kind of escalated it so there's a children's book if you give a massive cookie and basically him as cookie is going to ask for class no can so forth and so that's what kind of happened here I was working with the military

teaching leadership development funds and has made every serious training. For a while and it's most things on the way a side project was I made a bottle opener that looks like bumper plate yeah it looks pretty cool and so basically the four really just dive in I had business ideas for years and I thought you know what I'm worried of pull the trigger it was doing this but before then I was like let's

see some friends and then I thought you know there's As a sports fan I want to see

Wrigley Field I want to see Fenway Park again next a visit

some parts of the country and see and then I kind of got this idea will you know a roach It's always fun and good experience. But be really

epic if I went to every state if

they hit all fifty states like that's that's pretty epic and so I told some people about it and they said I was a little crazy you know but that's too much so that's good so am I was at work and you ask your boss can you have twelve weeks off I mean you

quit your job for this trip right now quit the job you know it's one of those I really do my own thing the Mount boss run my own organization the way I want to you know run it best so best way I see fit and so yeah I'd said you know I'm pulling the

trigger is actually right along my if there is there so I started the trip that literally the day after I turned thirty so fun facts you know turning thirty you know as a successful person you know basically was sleeping on my parents' couch without a place to live and no job you know but here I am while so you're about a month then right yeah correct yeah and you're a Muppet What's the number is this state twelve or I did state twelve already so I've done forty eight total meetings this is state thirteen in Illinois thirteen Wow So what's a typical day like so you get your own you know you're in some city in some state that you probably haven't been to before and then what well first off I'm amazed how fast time goes you know someone might think oh hey he's on vacation or not working but time just flies by every day goes much faster than I think it will I'm hopefully waking up in a place that has a roof whether that's a friend or a friend of a friend or some connection besides my car but sometimes it is in fact my car and then it's either following up on e-mails or Facebook messages I've sent out or connections of people or it's cold calling slash pop in different places to try to get the meetings to happen and if I have scheduled meetings then it's. Typing up responses from the meetings or typing up a blog of just how my journeys going as opposed to the response just say here's what happened on my journey so that people follow me can get an idea hey his words like for this

guy that you know chat with the country so they're really with me on the journey Yeah yeah it's cool I read your blog post today and it definitely can kind of

fall you along the the route is very cool and I'm a little I appreciate you know any kind of feedback that that is appreciated where it's is sometimes like

was it worth it but if I know at least you know my mom and you know a couple people read it then I figure it's a good reflective period and if I can as

a value to others then it's worth the effort no doubt about it so it's not really a strict timetable like you don't have a plan down there you have a basic idea what you want to cover but then if you something takes longer or maybe you want to spend the extra day in a place that's you know that wiggle room yeah perhaps I should have been smarter about it and planned it you know better and were very soon having a schedule and so forth but really I'm kind of at the mercy of what I'm able to view with different owners and I respect how busy their schedules are right so I try to work around that but then also there's certain things are very soon you know see a Mount Rushmore seemed certain you know sports stadiums or certain monuments or landmarks

or visiting with friends that I want to allocate time for those things so that it's a valuable trip and that's meaningful for so yeah I do have the wiggle room the only difficulty is am I able to sleep somewhere if I have a place to stay then I

don't worry about it but otherwise I try to move on so that's not much of a burden for those you know as you for the night right and so you know on your original timetable it was like a state every day or every other day right yeah I think that what we said which again I would like to emphasize that I just pulled that out you know so while ballpark guess. I didn't really have any idea because I hadn't started to. I know these are dealing with so now it's about two to three days per state but I will

say as traction builds that more people reach out to me I'm more able to effectively schedule meetings right so that could potentially speed up especially the East Coast where states air that is spread out right. Now sparse compared to some out there

is I've been so. I mean obviously driving just as much as you're having to drive pigs you know pick some energy kind of wipes you out a little bit drinking beer I don't know how much you're drinking or whatever but that can wipe you out a little bit if you're lifting and going to the gym them too good and probably why people have you hit a wall in the point like you know with an adjustment to this constant being on

the move and I should say this area I mean did a fantastic job have asking these questions here so absolutely. The best way I can describe it is. I don't know how

good of sleep I've ever gotten on this trip I've had so many different beds couches my car to sleep at night it's night basis and duration work or maybe it's eight

hour a seven hour a six hour is three hours that duration will shift and what's how I go to sleep ships wake up ships which I get any sleep research all

of that should be more constant for better sleep quality right and I don't know that not to mention where am I going to shower where am I going to sleep where I'm going to

brush my teeth it's all those little things that take on its energy Riteish and today's factors that you mentioned as well and so the things I used to take for granted you

know within a routine said I have to think about it now takes effort and energy. Right yeah I'm imagining it's tough but you made it this far so it's it's really good. I bet you probably get over the hump at some point I don't know I have never done a long term trip like that re. Suddenly we went to the Midwest and we went to Minneapolis and then we went down to the core Iowa toppling Goliath then we went to Madison Wisconsin Chicago. Indianapolis so we hit like five states in about six or seven days and that was a long long haul about all I could tolerate. Going all. Over the undertaking Well just even hearing about that just

kind of makes me light up but it's like oh yeah like I remember being in Minnesota I regain no where where I want to be in some of those areas and actually when you have that you know

semi bond I call you know that similarity is a nice thing but yeah definitely a little bit of a toll you know but I will say this is support from other people that's very beneficial

and I worked with people that have done things far more difficult and know trying than I have no doubt about it it's

just understanding that. But I will say I'm trying to be transparent as possible just for the people just to get from the experience as well whereas in the past I might just not ever mention

those parts and just talk about what's going on

good here so I'm trying to be

transparent but reality I do know I have it quite good and I'm very fortunate as well yeah so you mentioned the

current thing has are in many other curveballs the

the. The life is thrown at you basically you've got to get in a new car. So basically it all kind of happens last weekend I was you know drive in you know check engine light which no big deal there but

then the light popped up and rescue like just days apart particularly

filter and then another light trigger it was like a secondary check engine and basically govern my car is impacting how fast my current shift so if you get up to speed just take its time. It's not really cool or emerge

on the freeways and things

I. My hazard lights to try to you know indicate to people like hey I'm going slower than you I think I'm going as I'm approaching you know traffic here but then that was happening

around Friday Saturday and

meanwhile as I mean to Wisconsin I thought well you know what if the birds are in town and try to check out the games see a stadium get a little experience because you meet some people so I bought tickets on my phone you know

using technology which is great that morning drive then get in S. and early don't we have a hard plan just think get towards a stadium and figured out from there also my phone dies and it won't turn back on and so now and Newtown the tickets are on my phone I don't know what do this town I assume there's a prize in it somewhere some kind of close that big city I mean hold off a chain look around and basically fast forward through things that I'm able to locate one there was some you know thinking and so forth but again new phone

gets the game just after the first pitch unfortunately but you know basically accounts and then had to go the whole car issue and. It's the thing that's unfortunate but that part of the experience is as the stories that tell in a way

to

think a promise of along the way you know exactly you have any favorite brewery experience and so for things that you really were surprised by. I think it's one of those that in the moment you tend to be. Appreciative towards the

experience that you're having and recognize for what it is so whether recently in Minnesota well again even as I'm speaking right now is different connections that can make that would make it go on foreign and needs to basically someone in Kansas Lawrenceburg company put me in touch with Beryl theory in Minnesota I walk in the door. Instantly offered a beer which is you know so gracious stress take him up on it and we have a nice little discussion about the beer which even then the West Coast guy born and raised there ne I.P.A. ale it's just better I almost feel wrong saying that but I just enjoyed the beer at a higher level and even then he was saying Hey who else you want to see in the state immediately took us phone call up another owner for me set up a meeting so that somewhere else to go immediately after that yeah I mean we got it all again and then. Not only was you know the owner of a very cool barrel theory but you walk in the woods ski for some reason and just stood out to me just the wood

of the floors and the bar it just was very inviting and enjoyable you know to be a part of. The good ones well you know I don't want exclude that but that was just that whole experience was just very enjoyable and teacher at the end I was

appreciate that as well yeah I found that to be the case when we go on these beer cations and you go to one brewery in the in the kind of recommend some other place oh you have to go to this place in Fla We go there and then it ends up

being a

really cool experience also so you kind of kind of have to go with the when the little bit. Does kind of take you where. You know the beer gods want you to go. And the people who know the people in the way this is a Coast Guard school where is

that for good beer right and so one thing that I regret is not deliberately allocating more funding per place because someone might say go this brewery and I would want to I normally wouldn't I can California I've been to you know forty plus different

birds like a ton of them but here it's all about the meetings with the owners and if I went to other cyber is a long way away and you know paid for a period to each one that. You know Bill at the end of fifty states is quite. Well rather nonexistent

basically except for some couple little side things here and there it's basically much you know it's kind of challenging I wish I could you know think you know right now that's live the other people like you know people such as

you know yourself and your buddies that's you know that's definitely true. So I mean obviously being a West Coast Guard myself I've been to all throughout California and Oregon and Washington and then I had the Midwest trip but there's some states in between that I

don't really know too much about the beer like Montana and Wyoming and the Dakotas What was the general vibe that you got from the breweries in those parts of the countries that aren't necessarily known for their beer so I haven't been to Wyoming Oh you have

been OK yeah well I actually I stayed there why don't i just because I knew someone that's close to South Dakota but I did know Montana decoders I will say it's the same level that you'd expect anywhere else

I think it's taken that pride in their beer make it a good experience like the same things that you would expect at the best places in California or elsewhere you're going to get in Montana and South Dakota everywhere I've been so far that passion is always at that same

level the same you know so besides Tito good quality beer is always there with a passion right so let's And that's maybe seems obvious and but and I don't know that Mesa west coast where we think a San Diego you know the bigger names of students distribute in Dallas point

bought out and so forth but these other areas you know some places have been around twenty something years Broome beer over time and just have done right and get what it's like people ever wanted it for years and are now making it a reality and do it the right way you know you know it's cool it's definitely cool to see liked. I mean like Portland is different than San Diego which is different than Minnesota you know Minneapolis there's you know every city has its own kind of vibe and it's really cool experience. Beer in all these different places around the country and you know we're kind of living in a great time right now where

everyone's making great beer and there's five thousand breweries around the country and it's just the best time to be doing this what I think it really stands out to is now that the importance of the tap for every brewery Well most crews are now center stand that by having their own tap room they can see each other all their peers you know benefits the beurre and various who like their profit margins and that for us is patrons like hey here's beers that we can only get this one tap root you know and like you don't know what jam you uncover you know it's in my package some flagship but they might have it Jim and they're after them in spite of you know seeking those taverns out and finding them that we get to discover Wow what a great get this could be you know and so that's that's quite it JOYCE Well like. For sure so what's next we're we're this is the road take you the next couple of weeks so I have a general map that I follow basic that found a map online of some guy made out a rhythm for the most efficient route I typically follow that with some exceptions here and there as things occur but really I should be better but knowing that I have the route and has some people maybe trying to you know speaking a little bit which I give them full rein Hey tweak it with the book close me if they think it's a better route then I'll kind of follow that meanwhile I'm just trying to do one day at a time of grades two where am I going to sleep I'm going to meet with so forth and I just rely on looking back at that nap like all right where am I going next. So it's not the best and I'm fully I'm it's not the best approach but it's real. Currently existing And right now Johnson is there one particular spot that you're looking forward to along the way I think as a sports fan Wrigley Field that family park stand out to me. Like a killer because they're just iconic stadium to so forth and the fear things like that. Again it's about the hidden gems that I appreciate if I come across a bigger place like in Wisconsin I had to go off that Langkow goal just to check it out who are going to slow tasters as a little different experience being just a casual person compared to you know me and the owner I feel it important that I am or you think. You know some of the notable places

maybe not check it out things like that just to make sure that I get the full experience and then just some national landmarks just because I find that stuff intriguing to me as as a person and part of

our country Yeah you know we'll have to say I'm a little jealous I mean that's one

of those once in a lifetime experiences that you're getting right now that you're going to be able to look back on you know forever because. Not very many people get to do this and I'm sure you're appreciating every day absolutely and I really appreciate you know you saying those

types of things where it's those days where you know the car sleeping there things are not gone well as they could where it's understanding look you know other people think this is cool I think it's cool it's a wild adventure there's going to be ups and downs ebbs and flows but it's just taking it all and live in a moment by moment and really appreciate the

opportunity that matters so I do appreciate you saying that it's very helpful on the way yeah definitely. So yeah I mean I'd like to check in with you again in another couple of weeks and see were that move you have any other stories from the road Absolutely yes it's been an absolute delight along the way the. If they want to keep in touch and then when that listens and try to offer a value that I can well yeah it was great talking to you definitely good luck on the next leg of the trip I thank you and yeah absolute delight and appreciate making this happen you betcha have a good one I take it us by so germy you could follow him on his website lift him Bruce L A F T N B R E.W.'s lift and brews dot com He's also on social media on Facebook at Lipton brews Instagram Lipton brews. Twitter Lipton

Brewers How do you get all of the lift and brew that ever existed I don't know but it is not very many people exercise if you drink a beer apparently I think that's exactly right all right well let's go to the next beer we have from Allegheny Brewing Company. In Portland Maine this is where

been there we've been there one of my best brewery experiences of all time. They gave us the royal treatment there they really rolled up

the red carpet and gave us the run of the place I mean it was a very very good experience this is black is the name of the beer it's called they call it a

Belgian style stout on allegations website they freely admit that Belgian style style is not its style and they just made it up they're probably using just Belgian style yeast inside a bunch of stout style malts so I have a question it's called black but it's not very dark you know about that actually fairly far from lightish I would say dark brown like a chestnut like a watered down Dr Pepper Yeah I am very interested to try this beer I was intrigued by it's definitely the lightest period I want to show to the area when I was pouring I thought I was finally. Under under done coffee or. Some iced tea. But that aroma is very Belgian any like you just smell that and you spell Belgian yeast and we're not going to get that in any other beer tonight I was pretty unique I think the smell is like perfect it's like the perfect mix between Belgian in like a darker beer right you get the build it needs a lot of the cinnamon on the I'm Roma I'm getting like raisin raisin Yeah I mean you're going to get so I mean elegant if you think about there are regular beers there. Belgian style double or whatever you're going to have that raisin the taste and this one really if you look at it it's not even that stout it's looks this slightly darker then they're Belgian double Well in a very good in like the Belgian quads their own almost this color anyway right which isn't this isn't that high alcohol but it reminds me a lot of those beers is very sweet. In my opinion but it's not sweet like when you take a sip it is not a sweet beer there's a little bit of sweetness but I would not it's this is nowhere near the sweetness of the last beer the patsy I would agree with that but it's still sweet my point is we have this is not I don't think this is a stout Yeah it's a dark Belgian I mean they really and since very thin if you if I

take a sip of this I say this is a Belgian style beer but then I do get those toasted malts So there is that in there but it's just the a twist on a Belgian style Yeah so what would you call it it's it's not really a Belgian double triple maybe in

the middle the Belgian Brown or because it's a Belgian dark a dark building a dark Belgian double dark Belgian You know if I were blindfolded and tasted this I wouldn't stir out would be the last dial that I would use to describe it you know pills are really the last style like well. Maybe the last. It close

though. I mean it's but let's not let's not damage the beer like this is a good beer I like the taste I do I don't know. What a Belgian style style really means but I enjoy the beer and I can taste it's a really tasty beer so I like Belgians and in

general I mean I really enjoy them the problem I have is

I don't think this beer stacks up anywhere close to some of the great Belgians that we've had you know but I can appreciate what they've done here. It has the characteristics of a Belgian that I enjoy in a Belgian. And it has like it you can tell

that it's darker and it has some of the roast mult that

I really really enjoy from darker beers but it doesn't taste like a stout but I'm OK with that like I don't I don't know I'm feeling like they did a good job of combining. Certain attributes of each style that they did do that but to me this is a.

Standard solid Belgian beer but they've tweaked that one ingredient Yeah you can taste it it's noticeable to Malta Yeah and I don't know if that's necessarily a good thing and I think the reason why is because I've been drinking Belgian beers for many many years and I'm used to it a certain way and now this is throw me a curve ball with that same style and definitely with a stout this is not a stout You can go that direction but it's a little off putting to the not used to it and. So I I appreciate the experimentation but I don't necessarily mean that that lends to it being a great beer so my time with the monks You know. I came to appreciate the experimentation and the different things that have come out and the fact that there's so much Friday. But the market's also so flooded with Belgian beers and I P A's that everybody is just trying to come up with something different and I get that but there's some beers that just didn't need to happen and I kind of feel like this is one of them it's not bad it's Trinkle and you can enjoy it well enough but I don't think it really it doesn't do anything for me I really like I'll be the dissenting opinion here I think that there is a place for this and I appreciate it for each of the styles after buttes that have

been combined into one beer I would drink this I like it in that it's not as heavy as a stout but I'm getting some of the same flavors and I like the Belgian the quality that you know I like in general the so I appreciate it I think it's an excellent experimentation I would buy this again it's not my favorite here. It's not bad I

it's fine but I appreciate that we have a variety of styles tonight we have a Belgian style stout this is the only Belgian style stout we have an overall stout we have a coconut rice stout we have a whole bunch of other styles tonight so variety is

key it's not my favorite Alyosha beer but it's not a bad beer. All right

we're done with the first ten when we come back we have our strange brew a blueberry stout followed up with an Imperial Stout and peel Imperial Stout and we'll finish it off with a Chocolate Stout all that will return here on the pier the day podcast.

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get back to the show. Welcome back to the show Strange Brew segment. We're seventy six episodes in by now you know what a strange brew is but for those new listeners the strange brew is the beer that fits the style like a stout that is unlike any other type of stout you have ever had before the strangest beer that we can find that fits the style and tonight it

is the blueberry maple Stout from Saugatuck Brewing Company in Douglas Michigan. Right in the percentage on this. Six percent I'm going to see we're Saugatuck is Michigan. Yes But it on the Upper Peninsula thank you and it's on one of the peninsula's. It smells like blueberry pancakes that's exactly what it that's funny that's what the picture looks

like on the front of the bottle it's a guy it's a lumberjack who's got a fork his hand he's doubt and some blueberry pancakes so Saugatuck

is. Just south west of Grand Rapids Michigan it's right on the coast right on the coast Sean. Right on the shoreline of Lake Michigan. Is it northern or southern or upper lower it's right in the middle of the Lower

Peninsula with an interesting it's northwest of Kalamazoo. If you're in Chicago and you get a rowboat in the. North east you're going to

hit this brewery eventually. Actually your pride going to drown from. Probably so the spear. Color. About the same as all the

beer so far pretty dark aroma. Blueberries pancake small and slew berries blueberry muffins You know it's not like breakfast every time I have a blueberry beer if you look at it you get like a little hint of blue is that just

psychological

psychological No yeah it's mostly blueberries and you get that in the when you look at it it looks like blueberry muffins so

a beer that I really love and joy regularly is the shipyard smash blueberry yeah oh my God this is is better than that yes. So it's funny because I took a sip of the exact same time while and he was talking as he had a sip in front of us this beer

is dynamite it's really. It it tastes like blueberry syrup without the oversweet just I can't describe it because it's

coating your mouth in the mouth feel on this beer is fantastic but it's not leaving that insane sweetness it's sweet but not insanely sweet and malts and the the toasted multiplier effect so maybe a couple of months ago I someone

brought a beer from

Portland from Great Notion brewing company it's called Blueberry Muffin ale and I tried that and it tasted exactly like a blue. Very muffin and I said Man that was a awesome beer and this is as close as I can think of to that. The mass movie great beer but it's all blueberry Yeah this actually has the the sugar of the the muffin you know like the cross crossed

part yet at the top you can taste it I really think it tastes you guys are saying blueberry

muffin I think that's fairly accurate to me it really tastes like blueberry

pancakes with maple syrup on top like you do get the maple Yeah you're right you know if you get the maple the sugaring this is the Maple but the still like the muffin the keiki bready miss of a pancake but a blueberry pate

like it's this is this is Piers perfect I wish I had a little bit more maple. No no no I think

it's perving the Maple of those little it there it is there this is really good but it's definitely got like a excellent mix of the blueberry with the muffin E. and the

maple. So do you think this qualifies as a strange burger this was a strange brew yet Mint and I went on absolutely just as a definitely strange group yet because it's because it's just business training doesn't mean doesn't have to be

something that could be mainstream can it can you name another stout like this I mean. It's very unique I mean normally the thing is that maybe it's it's raising the question

for you is that normally strange brews are a little weird normally

it's not the best beer on the show. For me this one has a chance for me and I'm still am but it's but I can I call a strange brew because just based on what it is blueberry maple stout I don't know if this is an e a terrible beer or a really good beer and you had the potential to be there but a lot of times you know before we even drink it

that is just is not going to be something that we're going to enjoy. This one you know the park I this is only one of these I have. I don't I wish I could show this beard to every person I run across because this is so it's a ten out of ten it's unique and awesome and. How do you do better than the how do you want to cure more of them that's a question we're going to grab this from. Is this a taboo or buy it was

you know this is this is in its own world this is a unique beer Dallas says it's the blueberry it's a pancakes it's maple syrup I mean. It's a complex

beer but well well done like I don't have a beer like that

yeah with all these different flavors How do you do how do you you have to be adding the maple syrup towards the end so it's not ferment ing I mean alcohol content is not that high that's what's impressive about it what about getting the malt to taste like a pancake Yeah it's I think the thing that's blowing my mind the most is the ratios are perfect like the

different flavors it's not overly blueberry it's not overly maple it's not overly like multi-year Kiki it I just feel is the ratios are good rate is a perfect flavor of like blueberry pancakes melt in your mouth yeah that first sip you know there's little bit of butter in it too I was just going to say it finally butter you two. So how do you do that like is it just experimentation I mean it's maybe they called it a so spot

on it's like they actually put a crimp blueberry pancakes into the beer but I go back to the original sip and there's like blueberry

muffin it's blueberry muffin it's very pink it's just blueberry it's maple syrup it's a little all over the place and that's a good thing like that the quality is right there it's just. It isn't and different people are going to hold different flavor. From this bear true also you know sometimes

beers that advertise a certain fruit flavor or berry. You get the candy version of it right yeah you get a facsimile you get a. A

artificial approximation of the flavor this taste like actual

blueberries or really good blueberry syrup or the good loo Berry service so. This is really really good if you have any way to get this or go into war maybe the future again definitely pick up this one Saugatuck purring company Douglas Michigan blueberry maple stout fantastic our next beer. Now it's tough to top what top that we've got to move on though. We have the time

traveler imperial style Silver City brewery Bremerton

Washington a little outside of Seattle but basically Seattle area so we had a Silver City Beer on this show I think when we did the Seattle show yeah I mean it was phenomenal a year and a half ago and we were big fans of the beer that we had from this brewery so in my mind we've had this beer in the fridge since then and I have been looking forward to this since that last Seattle show this might be the darkest beer that we've poured tonight not

only is that the brew the darkest but also the head is the dark essence very dark and very dark. What's the A.B.V. on this one and. I'm not intending to and I can sit I'm going to be a didn't have that on so what I think is interesting about the head is that there are I don't know if anybody else is getting that it's not a uniform color it's very modeled there are dark spot of like super fine bubbles and. The head and then there are like white ones it's not a uniform color so the show I'm thinking of Episode sixty one came out in November of two thousand and sixteen so it was only a month eight months ago and the beer that we had was the bourbon barrel giant made of shadows of from twenty fifteen I remember that beer was so good that was one of yeah it was like you know I miss beer the day pick I missed that one. Am monks. Hanging out

with the monks. So the first thing that I so this beer is kicking up a notch for us in the first thing that I notice right taste is beer is instantly you're getting them more. Alcoholic burn that you're going to get from an Imperial Stout little bit of you know Bourbon flavors

coming through. Maybe even the whiskey. Straight whiskey. Yeah. It's a huge step up I think from the. Blueberry maple stout it's definitely not a sweet like Joel said there's

a little bit of an alcohol burn that

comes along with it so just as a side note when I was preparing the agenda for the show I had seven or eight different styles and I had seven or eight different. Bourbon barrel aged styles and so I eliminated all the barrel ones that will do another show so none of the beers tonight were aged in barrels of any kind maybe it's just the alcohol kick or yeah just the alcohol kick I mean it's it's just what I'm

relating it to because any time they may

be any time you have an imperial style you're just you know you're to associate it with some sort of bourbon flavor when you the high A.B.V. like. So there's definitely alcohol burn here but I feel like this is a very balanced Imperial Stout. Goes down relatively easy and

Imperials. Outs typically don't don't yeah I agree with that. I agree also and the fact that this is not asian a barrel surprises me because when I taste this it has a little bit of a barrel

it does smoothness to it that if in a blind taste I would

expect this to be a barrel aged stout and it's not and they have the barrels version which we have for a later show but this is pretty smooth for a non barrel age beer. Yeah I think that thing that's coming off in

there's this weakness. And you're getting the alcohol but you're also getting some intense roasted malt flavors. Little bit. Little bit of burnt and earthy but in a good balanced way with how alcoholic it is I mean this is very drink a ball for what what do you say nine point two Yeah yeah I mean nine point two This is a lot of times you drink a bottle that's this high of A.B.B. you want to share this is a beer that I could drink by myself and it would be no problem it's

very drink both of the nine point two percent that. We find in this this bottle that's true and in the on the spectrum of beer we've had in the show tonight we started off with more of a traditional style Zonker only six percent though this is. Three more per cent which is what close to maybe

forty percent more typical if the prisoners are now listening to fifty percent more three percent more than six percent. Fifty percent more alcohol and. But as far as smoothness goes I think it's I mean there is a little bit more of a burn

but I think it's. It's quite good for considering it's that much stronger. Yeah I agree I think like it's. I think Jeff that or maybe. It's actually very balanced for how high B.B. it is there is an alcohol burn there but it's not it's not crazy it's not like I feel like a lot of imperial stouts you kind of have to like almost in this one if you want to hear much she. Does not she doesn't like to get back to like the traditional stout flavor like without any coconut or blueberry

or

whatever this is just one hundred percent traditional stout and it's a strong one but it's well balanced Yeah and you guys have a just for how long you think it's been. Eight or nine months he even says Now you could you could age it for a couple years

says sixty I.B.U. I think it's balanced out pretty nice it's sitting in your fridge or so but Dell DELL spent a good point this is not a beer that has all these. Extra curricular flavors you know like it doesn't have the

coconut

or

the chocolate or the coffee it's just a pure Imperial Stout and I like that flavor this is this is what this show is about this this pure dark roasted sort of bitter flavor in the malls and I enjoy this beer yeah I think if you're going to the store

you're saying hey I really am in the mood for an Imperial Stout You should pick up this beer pressure so the thing that I'm curious about and I don't know enough about. How many different types of malt are used in a lot of different

stouts

But

this is nine different malt that seems like a lot so there's a lot pressure when you go to the brew master doing like fifteen different malts. Right yeah I most beers have like what two three four malts at most maybe six or

six I would say is normal

this one runs the gamut of malt Yeah but I was a stout and generally only have two or three. Yeah mostly it's like as far as recipes go that's what I seen Yeah I

think it's just a matter of like experimentation and maybe you hit one early

on a

combination that works well for you and you stick with it but like if you're going to try every combination of every malt that's like nine times nine times different levels of how much you're using in each one that ends up being in.

Thousands of different combinations and you can't brew a beer a thousand times to try and figure out what the best one is. I'm a computer programmer so I can run simulations that run through millions of iterations of like that you know they can figure things out but if

you're burning about should be there for each one not possible so you. Because you have to go through instincts and find one that works. And how it's going to the beer news of the day. So I had a news story about. Dog Fish head that made a beer that

hydrates you while you you drink but then today as a recording this on Friday the twenty first there was an article

that came out about a beer that's made by a check

brewery that is made specifically for women. And it created an uproar on the interim webs and a lot of people weighed in. I'm going to have Britain just take us through what what the story is

and she can explain it to us so this is made by a Rossa. It's a Czech Republic based Berry and they have created a premium premium guys a life style beer. That comes in a pink marble bottle and premium I don't mind but for women the term lifestyle

beer irks me a little. So the Brown founder claims that the

beer is a representation of a woman's

strength and a girl's tenderness so people marvel. Marvel bottle. I mean. That's price pretty Spence and others say is the actual marble or is it just made to look like you are I don't know now the website adds that this beer was born to prove that women can succeed anywhere without having to adapt and sacrifice their natural femininity. Sounds like a tampon sounds like a crock of you know what to me as is is the president female here I. Don't know. They're getting a lot of flack for obvious reasons so

they're defending on Twitter and other

social media they're saying on their Facebook page that it was never intended to take part in sexism feminism or the like they are simply a brand that wants to offer beer in an elegant and beautiful bottle something that has not been done before for those women who want it and whose lifestyle we fit and so says later on the article they're going to rebranding call themselves light. I know I. Know plenty to do that Driggs even. I have a problem with this and I can't even begin to describe why I feel

like I don't think it should matter how it's packaged women are smart enough to know which beers they like and which beers they don't like without being attracted by some pink marble bottle I'm really really interested in this bottle that is marketed specifically to women I don't know I just have a problem and I don't know why it sounds to me like it's a it's just a marketing ploy I don't even think that they're that serious about it I think this is just a fly by night thing that's going to come and go. But people are like reading on Twitter and there's a huge response to this. How can my weak womanly hands possibly cope with holding the weight of a pint glass. I mean they really. It is didn't didn't land well and it's almost like it's done just for the publicity just so that we're talking

about it right here on this podcast but. I know most Poso most P.R. people saying well you know like no publicity is bad publicity right. I would actually not buy the spear on principle just being like no like this is ridiculous now the thing about the dock fish had one where it's the hydrating beer I was like and I would buy that and then the more I read about it the more I was like OK now I'm really curious of this actually works so for that I was skeptical but I'm like No no I really want to try it with this woman beer I like want to stay away from it purposely

because I find it irritating and that I mean every female I know that drinks beer they know what they like beer styles wise I mean there's beers they like beers I don't like same as guys on the opinion here is that I like that I don't like never I mean I think everyone's opinion when it comes to be or completely is totally subjective yet so I think that it's unnecessary. I think there are some breweries that maybe try to cater to women more but I don't know if that's if it does or like there's been a few that we've had in the show right there is that one in

Bakersfield Jeff. Remember that one. Yes that one you remember the little I want to write. She Brewing Company she wrote she wrote yeah yeah that's in the middle of nowhere I don't know where and it failed miserably I don't know I think that I. It's not one of those things that needs to be like gender segregate right we can all have the same beer we can all decide to run like based on the style of the beer What does it matter if you're male or female I think the big problem that I think that I have with this is they're saying our goal is to create a

beautiful product in order to celebrate Women's femininity and elegance Well maybe then you should be creating crystal or something like why like why does that have to be beautiful product why can't it just taste good and appeal to not only women but men and the other part of the problem that I have with this is that they're marketing it at eight pounds a

bottle that's expensive. Hearst of all if I was a pregnancy reference in that's cute. And somewhat strong. So I don't know they're there and then they're trying

to sell in a limited edition bottle with the tote and all this other stuff and it's like you know. It's a bunch of crap it's a bunch of crap like it's just it's price gouging and saying we're going to build a we're going to create if you know elegant

and in product and hope that women are stupid enough to pay that much for I don't know is

that what's going to happen and also it's a check yeah we're not going to

get it here and now well and that's the thing like meantime about things that are in other countries this is such a

cultur